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    Under my NDA I obviously haven't been able to say much about the upcoming release of Sonar. Yesterday Cakewalk broke their silence on the next version. There are some interesting things to note I think.

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    While Propellerhead is 'heading' towards a traditional DAW with it's new RECORD software, Sonar is striking hard at pattern based workflow. In other words two products chasing the same elusive perfect tool from opposite ends.

    This is the first upgrade Cakewalk will be doing completely online. We have done some load testing of that, and I am very happy to see Cake going this way. When I upgrade the OS and APP HD in my DAW (with prices falling all the time) it is SO easy to manage my software installs from a vendor based library. Sony does it, as do others and while there are definitely limitations, face it - it's 2009 and a DAW on NET is not that uncommon.

    Cake has always been very very committed to the Microsoft OS and Roadmap. Windows7 as a stable environment for DAW hosts has been shown in many tests to out do Vista. I am currently finishing my Win7 environment for the next rev.

    In light of my bashing Sony about SF10 being a plugin fest release. Sonar 8.5 (as it being called) is a rework of some key things including the interface. I can't speak for the reasoning behind the dot five release other than they were able to deliver a lot of features and functions more economically under that moniker.

    I still like Sonar's double precision floating point 64 Bit mix engine and the comping feature that PT8 borrowed.

    The official "Leak List" is HERE

    It's AES season....

    -D
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    I was gonna skip upgrading but, after seeing this I might have to reconsider!
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    Cakewalk is and always has been a strong product. At one time, they could have been the seriously big dog outside of the Mac world. I often recommend it to PC users who want to do MIDI work as well as audio, because I don't think that there is another program with so many features, and they usually mostly work as advertised. (They've had their ups and downs, like everybody else...)

    I was on the beta team many years ago (from Cakewalk 3.01 to Sonar 1.n) But the interface was never my favorite, I got more done quicker using SAW and later, Sequoia. Still, I liked those guys a lot, Greg was very cool, and I thought that they worked hard to make everything right for their users, back when usually 'customer support' was a frustrating waste of time.
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    Old thread ... but I saw this video that seemed interesting to me. The angle is the relationship between Cakewalk and Intel. As I mentioned, I feel Cakewalk has been doing great work for the cause of professional audio by building partnerships with Microsoft and Intel. Like it or not, someone has to do that work and all DAWs should benefit.

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    Don (how ya been BTW?) How is Sonar as just a hi powered recorder with some good editing?

    Specifically, can it:

    1) print a click without chants, workarounds, magix spells, or going out and coming back in?

    2) set up cue mixes without much fuss?

    3) Burn CDs?

    I've still got a Sonar 2.1 floating around here someplace. I think it installs with a cassette drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireline View Post
    Don (how ya been BTW?) How is Sonar as just a hi powered recorder with some good editing?

    Specifically, can it:

    1) print a click without chants, workarounds, magix spells, or going out and coming back in?

    2) set up cue mixes without much fuss?

    3) Burn CDs?

    I've still got a Sonar 2.1 floating around here someplace. I think it installs with a cassette drive.
    Ken:
    Been fine up here in WestPA - I think it went under 40 Fahrenheit last night, chilly.

    Here is my Cliff's Notes version of the Sonar family tree:

    Sonar 3 was the first usable product, S4 was a bit more interesting, S5 could do the job with the new 64bit Mix Engine, S6 added plugs, S7 was not important, S8 introduced clip groups and now I can do pretty much what I used to do in Samplitude editing in Sonar.

    Yes to all of your questions - track templates are just a right click away from your cue mixes. I can set up a 16 in session with multiple cue mixes in the same amount of time or less than any DAW I own (Samp, PT, Reaper, Logic)

    I just finished doing a polka band CD (literally just a few minutes ago). It was a live 2 CD set and I was working in parallel, PT on my Mac and Sonar on my XP station. The render time alone makes me love post in Sonar - 85 minutes in PT and 4:07 in Sonar. Realtime doesn't cut it for me in budgets as tight as right now. Don't be fooled by all of the kid beat things in Sonar - the core tool is fine.

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    I just finish a 10 song demo for a local band on Sonar. Set-up to completion in 4.5 hours. Next day mixed 6 of the tracks in 7 hours. Track templates make it a breeze. I've used Cakewalk stuff since Pro Audio 7. I should mention that I use a 10+ yr old Dell Precision Workstation. I can't wait to see what a new Quad-core or i7 can do.
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    I think the CTO over at Cakewalk Noel Borthwick is a clever guy. There was a bunch of internal and external controversy over the dot five upgrade (8.3.1 to 8.5) Below is Noel's humorous comments:

    What's in a name?
    "What's in a name? That which we call SONAR 9 by any other name would sound as sweet." I guess Juliet was misinformed, based on the wild speculation and reaction to our announcement of SONAR 8.5. To ease the anxiety for the next release I will let you in on a secret - the next product release will be called SONAR 1C21B83D-EDCE-41b7-BBEF-31F912E88B1D. We think that a 128 bit version number will dispel all ambiguity the next time around. :-)
    Here are some inside details about the engineering behind Sonar 8.5 - classy disclosure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wireline View Post
    3) Burn CDs?

    I've still got a Sonar 2.1 floating around here someplace. I think it installs with a cassette drive.
    I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would make an expensive audio application that can't do something as simple as burn a darn CD.

    I've been asking Steinberg that question for years... and they keep saying "Wavelab" to which I reply "bite me".

    Sonar looks really nice though.

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