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    Default Opinions on Spatial Recording Methods [restore]

    Another one lost in the migration.

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    Yesterday, 02:12 AM
    mjeb
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    Opinion Gathering on Methods Of Recording Spatially
    Howdy Folks. (Talofa Lynn!)

    Typical newbie thread post. I'm hoping to record a band playing on a porch during a thunderstorm and then be able to reproduce it as if the listener was present.

    Between Ambisonics and everything else I have read, my head is somewhat spinning.

    For the purposes of receiving criticism and opinion, here are the options I am considering

    1. Mike everything, capture and then create the spatial reproduction in software. I have (or can hire) sufficient mikes and a capture unit that will support multiple simultaneous streams (digital or I can borrow an 8 track 1/2 inch tape unit).
    2. Get one o'dem fancy-shmancy multi mike heads (oy but what a cost!) and run a single point of capture.
    3. Run a binaural mike setup, complete with fake head.

    We did an AAA recording for our last EP, complete with tape failure, Nagra going too fast (chipmunks anyone?), old tape stock sloughing off magnetic coating, failing channels on our vintage gear, so I think I qualify as masochistic enough to persevere with a 3D sound concept. :-)

    I'll be reading through the posts to see what I can glean but if anyone felt like opinionating (I know its not a verb but what the hey) on various opinionable (it gets worse, eh?) related subjects, shoot away!

    In particular, I am trying to work out if its better to do my spatial reproduction planning at the input stage or through some sort of mapping in s/w after capturing individual mike sources.

    I am not fussed with releasing multiple formats for Headphone/5.2 or Other Speaker Config, but there seems to be so many ways of going about this...

    Rgds

    MJEB

    Yesterday, 05:39 AM

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    My very first thought (and only thought for the night) is:

    Overdub the thunderstorm. With whatever recording system you end up with, you can easily record the thunderstorm from the same point source and even same location but do it at a different time. I think the ability to balance the two will be drastically preferable. And I've recorded thunderstorms before. They have a habit of upstaging just about everything else, both in intensity AND level.
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    Yesterday, 07:27 AM
    mjeb
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    random thunderstorms
    Thanks Lynn.

    Rgds

    MJEB

    Yesterday, 09:49 PM

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    Greetings MJEB.

    If you're on a budget but want to use a surround mic, try the Tetramic. I believe they only cost $1k

    http://www.core-sound.com/TetraMic/1.php

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    Yesterday, 11:22 PM

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    It looks like a practice droid for when you pull out your light saber, but this is actually a mic--the Eigenmike. You might want to look into it. I have no further information than what you would find on their site. It connects via a single Cat-5 cable.

    Oh, and this is also cool. it has built-in ADC.

    Quote:
    ASIO drivers supplied: em32 appears as a standard 32-channel sound card


    http://www.mhacoustics.com/page/page/2949006.htm


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    Default Pilgrims Progress - Newbie Report Part #1

    Hi Y'all. I can talk that way. I'm from down south.

    So, for the informational purposes of other Newbs who might read it, here's my first pass report.

    Objective:

    A: Capture 5 piece band playing on a porch with strong ambient environmental presence.

    B: Be able to reproduce the performance as if the listener was in a chair on the porch.

    Instrumentation: Vocals X5, Harmonica, Slide Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Acoustic Bass, Snare/brushes/hi hat/ irish thumpy things/random african thumpy bits

    Current Research Results and Thoughts

    1. Checked into the tetramic and the coresound products. Both look good, some mixed opinions on the TM and some price opinions on the Coresound.
    2. This leaves me with the choice of blowing my budget on the gear, or looking for an alternate miking method using existing gear.
    3. Looked at capture media (16 track HDD unit), ok, will do the job
    4. Considered output issues - who's got 6 speakers? Who's got a home PC hooked up to itunes with an el cheapo 5.2 ex-gaming sound rig? (hmm..many people). Home theatre? hmmm...less. Ipod or stereo reproduction? Probably the most.
    5. Therefore, to be useful, the recording format and post production must be capable of supplying something useful for a proper 3D, a fake 3D and straight stereo (maybe with some pscyho acoustic stuff...I dunno)
    6. Performer setup...Hmmm...circle....line...argh....
    7. Found willing partner in crime (hi DDJ!). We now have sufficient mikes and channels.
    8. Now checking what kind of array we would use if we were running normal mikes (as opposed to specialist units like the TM), doing reading and research and some maths.

    Hurrah! I expect many things to explode during the process (even things that dont typically explode).

    Cheers to Lynn for restoring the thread.

    Rgds

    MJEB

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