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Thread: DAWSUM Project-Part II

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    Originally posted by 3D Audio Inc.:
    <STRONG>

    Analog mixing soundalikes. That's the category. Not specifically tube emulation, but anything that promises to get us closer to that "analog sound."

    Since we now have a control group to measure against (true analog mixes), we can try all the analog emulators and see how close they can come to the real analog mixes while using a digitally-summed mix.</STRONG>
    Lynn,

    I would enter Paris, sans plugins, into the fray. Just playing with the levels. This seems like the ideal setting to finally demonstrate what I've been talking about.

    It's funny. Yesterday I was playing around with an L2 on some reference CDs, just checking it out. What I found was that I could literally nuke the L2 by using only Paris' internal gain strucure, and pushing that over the limit as is my habit.

    The L2 was not even close. Just using the internal hardware in Paris, the openness and punch was far better, even when the mix was cranked louder than the L2 could do under any circumstances. It really is freaky.

    This will be an interesting test, and I'm not sure how you will create standards for the results. How about at least 1 version of "Make this stereo mix file as loud as you can without making it sound choked and crappy?

    Lookout for Paris on that one, all you plugins


    Regards,
    Brian T

    [ June 04, 2003: Message edited by: Brian T ]

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    Originally posted by Brian T:
    <STRONG>This will be an interesting test, and I'm not sure how you will create standards for the results. How about at least 1 version of "Make this stereo mix file as loud as you can without making it sound choked and crappy?"

    </STRONG>
    Now that is a moving target!

    I hear stuff on CD all the time, even some stuff that comes in for mastering, that is way over that line. Sad, but true.
    Lynn Fuston
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    Making beautiful music SEEM easy since 1979.

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    It's never as easy as it seems.
    Lynn Fuston
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    Lynn,

    Id be happy to add the HEDD 192 (in Digital-Digital mode) if that's of interest (not exactly a plug-in, but...). Pentode, Triode, Tape emulation in whatever combinations are interesting.

    Glad you made it back safely!

    Damon

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    Would the FATSO and the Avalon 747 qualify...?

    They are analog, but they do contribute to
    making a digital mix sound analog...

    [ June 07, 2003: Message edited by: 20to20 ]
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    Ive never been here before but Id like to hear this---There is not one single audio clip on any analog emulation plugin or hardware site comparing the magic they are supposed to do.

    I have Cubase SX which has True tape.

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    Originally posted by Brian T:
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    I would enter Paris, sans plugins, into the fray.</STRONG>
    Isn't there a VST plug-in that has the Paris channel eq. and overload code in it?

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    Yes, Bob, you quasi-omniscient freak, you. My, my, you do keep up with things, don't you? How you would know this realtively obscure fact is beyond me. But I am impressed.

    There is a VST Paris EQ freeware plugin. And it does correctly model the nonlinear behavior of that specific gain block in Paris, which is one of 6 discrete EDS hardware based gain blocks in Paris. Each has it's own characteristics when pushed into the red. The Paris EQ has a number of very useable quirks when you move outside of "proper" digital ettiquete. For one, it's overload characteristics are very frequency dependent and in the right scenario, surprisingly "analogish".

    Regards,
    Brian T

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