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    Default Anyone here speak Jecklin?

    The Jecklin is an intriguing way to combine the smoothness as extended LF response of omnis with the imaging of ORTF and NOS with cardioids.

    Former Decca engineer Simon Eadon used a Jecklin (with Schoeps CMC62S) to win a Grammy a few years ago with the Takacs Quartet-- perhaps the greatest recording EVER of the Beethoven Quartets.

    The original paper can be found at www.josephson.com/tn5.html

    Googling Jecklin disc will bring up a good hour of useful reading as well.

    If anyone has bought one (such as the M-B) or made one, please share your construction methods and impressions of the imaging, etc.

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    Hey rich -

    Enjoy!


    http://www.klankschap.nl/ndotb.pdf

    http://www.maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/jecklin.html

    http://www.klankschap.nl/LazyRig.pdf

    http://www.klankschap.nl/ConstructJecklinDisk.avi


    One of the guys introduces the idea of the Vertical Micing using a Jecklin. I listened and think it is a pretty good solution for some situations. It probably deserves its own thread. I've tried vertical micing with cardioids, + conventional stereo with omnis when trying some surround. But now I am thinking the four mics, while trouble, might be worth an experiment in certain tight situations where the musicians aren't lined up ideally.

    Regards,

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    Rich, I am but a lowly amateur home recordist, but the J Disk has become my number one tool. I record fingerstyle solo steel string guitar. I've experimented with various X/Y and spaced cardioid techniques, spaced omnis, and other oddball arrangements, but when I tried the OSS method I immediately preferred the result.

    I started with various home-made disks but thought I was getting some comb filtering due to poor damping of the disk, so I bit the bullet and invested in a commercial disk. I bought mine from Core Sound but I believe it's the same disk sold by Mercenary.

    Here's a sample recording a friend made with my J Disk and a pair of Schoeps CMC62 mics. The mics are positioned quite close to the guitar to reduce room effects. The guitar is an especially nice small bodied steel string by Ed Claxton.

    http://www.dougyoungguitar.com/mp3/Bring_A_Torch.mp3

    Fran

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    Mr. Mays, in addition to the omni one, I have also begun using baffled fig. 8s with much success.

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    Teddy,

    Are the fig8s Sennheiser? Otherwise one of the advantages of Jecklin goes away-- better bottom end that directional mics. The Senns are electronically EQd to have god LF response.

    And Fran, that is a VERY tasty recording! The disc you speak of is made by M-B in Germany, correct?

    Very nice sound!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Mays
    Teddy,

    Are the fig8s Sennheiser? Otherwise one of the advantages of Jecklin goes away-- better bottom end that directional mics. The Senns are electronically EQd to have god LF response.

    And Fran, that is a VERY tasty recording! The disc you speak of is made by M-B in Germany, correct?

    Very nice sound!

    Rich
    Nossir, they are U87s/u89s which i have access to... Senns are a little too rich for my blood. MBHO makes a version of the disc, http://www.core-sound.com/jecklin/3.php core sounds sells them and schneider disks as well. I bought this one today:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWN%3AIT&rd=1
    for the sole purpose of seeing how it was constructed to possibly improve on my own design. I think it was made by B+K..otherwise...paying many hundreds for something i can make in my own home for 10.00 is crazy to me. it basically is just foam and mounting hardware...no formula X in the design...

    teddy

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    Default A Jecklin is a what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fran Guidry
    Rich, I am but a lowly amateur home recordist, but the J Disk has become my number one tool.
    Hi Fran and group...
    Because of discussions via e-mail with both Fran and Doug Young, I've built a Jeckin Disc. It yeilds pleasing and natural recordings. Great separation without the artificial feel of more extreme A/B with cardioid mics.

    We've been using it in our small production studio for uses which are neither orchestral nor choral. We have been doing tests (with good results) with acoustic guitars, and today with an upright bass.

    We built the disc free standing (mounts with a microphone fitting to a mic stand) and use two other mic stands to position a Peluso CEM C6 with omni capsule on either side. The results are pleasing to the ear, mix well when layered with other tracks, and sound good through speakers as well as spectacular in headphones (as expected).

    My current ''working disc'' is built with a 12'' disc cut from ''science project'' foamcore board. We covered this on either side with a new ''foam substitute'' used for recushioning patio furniture. It is a fiber material which is very light and similar in resilience to sponge-type foam. It is so light you can easily breathe through a two inch piece, but it is really 'dead' and soaks up speech when one talks into it...and hopefully all other sounds.

    I cut a 12 inch disc of a 2'' section of it, and pulled & peeled it apart into two discs just under 3/4'' thick each - which I glued to each side of the foamcore. I disassembled a mic clip and stole the clip, bolt and nut to mount it to the disc.

    I bought faux fleece (as per directions on various sites) to cover our disc with, but am reconsideing it since the fiber - when pulled apart - yielded a softer surface than even the fleece (& hopefully at least as neutral as fleece).

    The shopping trip was fun, as people in fabric departments are not accustomed to aging males wandering the faux fleece aisles, lifting and speaking and singing into fleece...by the looks received I deduced this.

    Just wanted to share...

    Larry J

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    Would anyone be willing to post a comparison of a recording with Jecklin disc and without?

    Thanks!

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    If you read German, this is a very interesting paper about different baffled stereophonic systems. Some time ago there were also some sound samples. I am not sure if they are still there, because this is an archived version of the paper.
    Regards Hermann

    http://web.archive.org/web/200202231.../hud_dipl.html

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    Just listened to this guitar recording. I didn't hear it when it was first posted 8 years ago. It's beautiful. Kudos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fran Guidry View Post
    Rich, I am but a lowly amateur home recordist, but the J Disk has become my number one tool. I record fingerstyle solo steel string guitar. I've experimented with various X/Y and spaced cardioid techniques, spaced omnis, and other oddball arrangements, but when I tried the OSS method I immediately preferred the result.
    Here's a sample recording a friend made with my J Disk and a pair of Schoeps CMC62 mics. The mics are positioned quite close to the guitar to reduce room effects. The guitar is an especially nice small bodied steel string by Ed Claxton.

    http://www.dougyoungguitar.com/mp3/Bring_A_Torch.mp3

    Fran
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